Hello dear CEO

Hello dear CEO
Of such a
Renowned company!
I am this blind fan, 
Who’s now become
Your employee.
I’d love to remain
Your admirer;
Fingers crossed,
Let me see.

© supratik 2020
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caustically good!

TheRecluse

Should be “who’s” (singular), not “who’ve” (plural)? Have you just got a new job?

Ifyouplease

who (I) have??
is who (I) has correct?

Ifyouplease

so which is it? I’m always correcting my grammar (I) who’ve been trying since the age of seven !

TheRecluse

I, who’s (who has) been trying …..(singular), as against: We, who’ve (who have) been trying….. (plural)?

Ifyouplease

why? who continues to be about ONE PERSON the first person. by using has you change the person for the sake of being singular? never understood why it was like that or has to be this way
in my head who is about a singular first person.

εγω που ειχα βρεθει σε δυσκολη θέση
εγώ ο οποίος είχε βρεθει
I don’t think that in Greek I would have used ειχε βρεθει either and maybe teachers here would disagree with me I don’tknow. but seriously it’s a grammatical issue that puzzles me for years.

Ifyouplease

have was never plural in your head, was it? it certainly didn’t sound as plural! I have become it is not I has become.

really it’s perplexing this who business and I hope someone will really solve this issue in my head at least

TheRecluse

But, you admire the dunderhead? (re. the poem).

Ifyouplease

sorry it’s an ironic poem. sarcastic. blind fan /let me see.

it’s a good poem.

TheRecluse

No problem, Supratik, we all are glad to have typos pointed out. ( I agree though, to just people like you, who can English, no need to explain why, just my background to always supply reason).

Another hitch on site, which may be able to be put right by Richard: when you edit a comment some minutes later, it loses its place in the comment order, and goes (by time) to the end, thus losing its relevance to the comment being commented on.

Ifyouplease

well nobody here and nobody elsewhere has convinced me so far that it’s not correct in the two languages I know to use either syntax or that bloody who has such a tremendous effect on syntax and everything ought to suddenly become third person

in English plural has no problem on the matter but in Greek it’s even worse

εμείς οι οποίοι ειχαν βρεθει. vs εμεις οι οποίοι είχαμε βρεθει.

I would accept both!

 <span title="Experienced Commenter" style="font-size : small; color: orange;">**</span><p>

What’s being argued about here? Relative pronouns?

It’s not about singular or plural, it’s just about subject-verb agreement.

I, who have become…
You, who have become…
He, who has become…
She, who has become…
It, which has become…
We, who have become…
They, who have become…

However, in this poem, it isn’t simply “I, who have become”, but:

“I am this blind fan, who has now become”.

The relative pronoun “who” refers to “this blind fan”, which is third person.

Correct me if I’m Welsh.

subject verb agreement I who have become

I am this blind fan,
Who’s now become

what is the difference in what you are saying ?

I, this blind fan,
who have now become

wouldn’t you say that this is the correct way?

who refers to I, “I am”‘s predicate is “this blind fan”

i just googled κατηγορούμενο and you call it predicate? who doesn’t refer to this blind fan. well let’s ask Supratik.

 <span title="Experienced Commenter" style="font-size : small; color: orange;">**</span><p>

Then it would be “I, this blind fan who HAS now become”.

The insertion of a name or title or description like this always triggers the third person.

not sure, almost convinced but not sure.
thank you

 <span title="Experienced Commenter" style="font-size : small; color: orange;">**</span><p>

Maybe you should ask a native speaker. I’m Welsh.

Iechyd Da

TheRecluse

As you can see from your examples above, to someone not wanting to search deep into formal grammar and its many terms, in the context of its use in this poem, the singular/plural works as a rule that’s easy to remember.

Ifyouplease

it is not plural it never was, it was first person or third person singular always. doing it for the show a nice little civilized talk for a change a Greek that doesn’t get it or has absurd objections and two or three gentlemen patient with her inability to be convinced. now Supratik’s karma must be full of comments and reads. anyway Trevor I just cannot accept that Supratik used plural no he used singular ok? that was clear. Alfie thanks for letting me know all these things, I hope you liked my show. which is over because it backfires… Read more »

TheRecluse

At my age, I’m not prepared to try to understand and reconcile spurious, compulsive and largely, unnecessary interference with my measured logical thinking anymore – Supratik knew what I meant, and that’s all that matters here. In future, please refrain from your tedious habit of commenting on my comments to others all the time. Okay? You’re like an itch on my back I can’t scratch!

Ifyouplease

I would accept as correct what you said had you not started it and I can show you around if you want, when numerous times you have interfered replying to a comment of mine creating a thread of replies, and above all had I a problem with dialogue and anyone expressing his or her opinion even about an exclamation mark of mine I would have been less talkative and active or would have even chosen absolute silence.

I do hope that at any age I will always be as understanding and tolerant with others as I am now with you.

TheRecluse

Yes, it’s cultural murder of the first degree, the spoken variant that is!

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