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andrea
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Prominent Member Admin

Alison, I agree with you - I have been away and had no idea what happened - we are now trying to sort it out.

 

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Posted : September 16, 2017 8:58 pm
ionicus
(@ionicus)
Noble Member

I raised the issue of Trevor's disappearance from the site in the Discuss UKA forum and although my post was read 23 times my question went unanswered. I got used by now at my queries being ignored and it didn't bother me but now I see that I am not the only one concerned.

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Posted : September 17, 2017 10:18 am
stormwolf
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Honorable Member

That's great Boss. I did not notice your post Luigi.
I was only aware of what happened when I first chanced upon the thread to see my posts altered and deleted with no permission / warning...which got my dander up...then Trevor contacted me and it all made some kind of sense.

Yes, I think transparency is important and needs to be addressed.
I do hope he will come back and it will all blow over but I'm not holding my breath 🙁

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Posted : September 17, 2017 11:19 am
andrea
(@andrea)
Prominent Member Admin

Comments gone? What comments??

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Posted : September 17, 2017 8:55 pm
andrea
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Prominent Member Admin

Oh, sorry Alison, didn't realise there was a page 2 🙂

Sorry, Luigi, didn't see you post re Trevor, but we are investigating as we speak!

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Posted : September 17, 2017 8:57 pm
e-griff
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Trusted Member

Alison, I've sent you an email explaining, as I found the original one sent at the time went astray. Two others were informed also.

When Gothicman was barred, he asked Andrea for all his comments and submissions to be deleted . Later he said he wanted to retrieve his work, so as I understand it Richard is trying to do that.

I explained in my mail that the deleted posts were replies to Gothicman's on the thread so made no sense in isolation.

G

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Posted : September 18, 2017 1:17 pm
gee
 gee
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Eminent Member

While this is obviously between Trevor and the site owners, I agree with Alison that he has been a very valuable member of the site and will be missed. These really are sad times for UKA.

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Posted : September 18, 2017 3:16 pm
gee
 gee
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Eminent Member

Terms & Conditions of Use

Those are the conditions of use. I didn't see anything posted against those terms but, of course, it's possible I missed something. As posts are missing and edited, it's impossible to say now.

However, Andrea said she's looking into things and I know she won't want to lose such a valuable member without very good cause. if there is any other way of dealing with this.

 

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Posted : September 18, 2017 6:00 pm
gee
 gee
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Posted by: belcanto

Where did you find that link, gee ?!!!  I'm FOREVER complaining because I can't see any link to guidelines whatsoever on the front page.  I saw some links provided by ionicus on the shoutbox when I logged in today, but that was in posting pics, I think.  

But you're right. I can see that comments and even submissions can be removed if deemed seriously offensive, but there's no reference to barring someone.  From past rare occasions of this happening,  I think there has to be a complaint and inquiry before any such move. 

 

Hi Belcanto, it's at the bottom of this page. There's a link to UKAPress, Copyright Notice and then T & C (terms and conditions) . I think quite a few links still go to old pages that no longer exist because they are on the WABD site. As for the ones Ionicus posted today, only one worked for me and the other two were not found. 

As for barring someone, I can't remember seeing it happen before. Of course, it could have and I haven't noticed. With Trevor, he's such a part of the site, it's very noticeable that he's missing.

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Posted : September 18, 2017 6:59 pm
ionicus
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Posted by: gee
Hi Belcanto, it's at the bottom of this page. There's a link to UKAPress, Copyright Notice and then T & C (terms and conditions) . I think quite a few links still go to old pages that no longer exist because they are on the WABD site. As for the ones Ionicus posted today, only one worked for me and the other two were not found. 
 

I have found the T &C you mention, Gee, and am somewhat confused.
First of of all it is headed NEW ACCOUNT. Don't these terms apply to established accounts?
Secondly, it says that they were (revised March 2017). How do they differ from the original T&C and were the changes explained to the members?
Further on it is stated: "You agree that the webmaster & editor(s) of this website have the right to move or close any submission or comment at any time should they see fit." Fair enough but don't the membershave the right to know the reasons or is it a unilateral decision?
Finally: "You agree that these terms and conditions may change from time to time." Again, transparency as to why the changes are made is needed.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand these Terms and Conditions?

 

 

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Posted : September 19, 2017 10:22 am
gee
 gee
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Posted by: ionicus
Posted by: gee
Hi Belcanto, it's at the bottom of this page. There's a link to UKAPress, Copyright Notice and then T & C (terms and conditions) . I think quite a few links still go to old pages that no longer exist because they are on the WABD site. As for the ones Ionicus posted today, only one worked for me and the other two were not found. 

I have found the T &C you mention, Gee, and am somewhat confused.
First of of all it is headed NEW ACCOUNT. Don't these terms apply to established accounts?
Secondly, it says that they were (revised March 2017). How do they differ from the original T&C and were the changes explained to the members?
Further on it is stated: "You agree that the webmaster & editor(s) of this website have the right to move or close any submission or comment at any time should they see fit." Fair enough but don't the membershave the right to know the reasons or is it a unilateral decision?
Finally: "You agree that these terms and conditions may change from time to time." Again, transparency as to why the changes are made is needed.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand these Terms and Conditions?

Hi Luigi, I think the terms and conditions are there to be read by people joining the site for the first time so they know what they're agreeing to, but you have a point when you say about them being revised. There are a few other places I've signed up with send emails to inform members when the terms and conditions change.

Was it in March that the site changed back to UKA again, because it might have something to do with that, but only admin can really clear that up. 

When I've been on other sites and forums and things have been removed or shut down, there's always been an explanation given so that other people don't repeat the offence. Although I understand that posts can be removed if they are offensive, some kind of detail needs to be given, in my opinion, so that others are warned. Obviously, this again is up to admin but I feel the lack of it can be confusing for everyone on site.

I think it does need to be brought to the attention of members if there are changes to the T & C but I'm wondering if, in this case, it wasn't that they changed, but that the date had to be in line with when the site moved back. Again, perhaps admin would be kind enough to confirm?

 

Hi Belcanto,

FIrst of all, yes, it would be wonderful if things have been worked out but we can only keep fingers crossed and wait and see. 

Well, some links haven't worked but there's a great deal of work to adjust the coding after the move back and it's easy for things to be missed. I know some that haven't worked are going to the right place now though, so I think Richard is sorting things out for us.

 

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Posted : September 19, 2017 10:49 am
andrea
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Prominent Member Admin

'...When Gothicman was barred, he asked Andrea for all his comments and submissions to be deleted . Later he said he wanted to retrieve his work, so as I understand it Richard is trying to do that...' e-griff.

I'd just like to say that, as it turned out, they had been already deleted, albeit inadvertently. What happened was, that when the 'offensive' (quotes because, being away, I didn't actually read them) were removed, ALL Trevor's work, along with comments etc were removed, since the forums on this site are integrated with the main site, unlike on the old UKA. I had no idea that would happen (if I'd thought about it at all) - no-one did. However, I do agree that it's unethical to remove anyone's work without warning, even by accident, since they might not have back-ups. So for that I accept responsibility (as the Boss :)) and do offer my sincere apologies to Trevor.

On a lighter note, Richard is working hard behind the scenes to get Trevor's work back up on site, and we're confident that he can do it!

 

 

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Posted : September 19, 2017 4:34 pm
gee
 gee
(@gee)
Eminent Member

I knew Andrea would get it sorted out. Good to see you back, Gothicman.

I'm just wondering if there's anything the members here can do to help Richard test links of something? It has to be so much work for him to do. 

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Posted : September 19, 2017 5:19 pm
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