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Guaj
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Regardless of my views on Brexit I just cannot see what the point is of forming a party dedicated Brexit to take part in the European elections.

I understand why people might vote for it, but why enter a party dedicated to completing Brexit which basically will have absolutely no power within the EU parliament. There are 29 Brexit MEPs and 751 MEPs in total, all of whom have there own agendas.

The Brexit party will just be a noisy fart, who everybody laughs at and then ignores because they know if  The Brexit party fullfill their aim they will cease to exist. . . . the best thing they can do is stay away from Brussels altogether, which of course they won't.

They will just be seen as a noisy ragged bunch of useless nutty Brits performing a pointless exercise. 

Noisy they most definitely will be. . . . We had a saying at school (well our teachers anyway) "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE"

BTW: I am NOT a new member.

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Topic starter Posted : May 27, 2019 9:34 pm
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richard
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"Noisy they most definitely will be. . . . We had a saying at school (well our teachers anyway) "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE"

 

At the moment - and for much of the previous 3 years (since 'the vote') -  most of the noise is emanating from the remainer's direction!

Just sayin'

 

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Posted : May 27, 2019 11:26 pm
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"BTW: I am NOT a new member."

 

Your forum level will change from 'New Member' to 'Active Member' once you've posted 5 times on the forums. ? 

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Posted : May 27, 2019 11:37 pm
Guaj
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OK I understand.  . . . I guess what you mean is, I am a dormant member kind of like a seed in the desert or a Lungfish under a dried up river bed?

Lets hope it rains soon ? 

OOH! I see you have changed my status. Thanks, much appreciated.

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Topic starter Posted : May 28, 2019 7:57 am
Guaj
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Hey Richard,

From the Remain point of view I think the only empty thing they have is their hands, but at least they know what they wanted.

My point is, that apart from destroying the Tories and gee-ing up the Socialists (local issues) the Brexit Party has no real relevance in the EU parliament. In fact it seems to me, the only beneficiary is Nigel Farage's Trump-sized Ego. His supporters are just nobodies and failed Tories and will be disposed of  when he moves on to other self-promoting projects.

I really can't see how the Brexit party will help the Brexiteers. 

The Brexiteer's fate is in their own hands, not some Egoistic dick-head's who doesn't really give a shit about them (much like the amount Scargill cared about his miners in '84)

This is how it appears to me. 

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Topic starter Posted : May 28, 2019 8:25 am
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ifyouplease
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What is the point of any party?

all parties are destined to become political elites that will slowly but surely alienate themselves at first from the working class and then the middle class, high society absorbs parties like a sponge, their politicians all become Marie Antoinettes. 

If people want to have a real democracy they must read this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

and stop expecting from anyone to care for them.

 

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Posted : May 28, 2019 10:14 am
Guaj
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all parties are destined to become political elites that will slowly but surely alienate themselves

No doubt, but why form a party which is redundant regardless of whether it achieves its goal or not? 

Answer (IMO): So the founder and leader of said party can keep himself in the spotlight and hence maintain his place on the gravy train.

Anybody with one or two "cajones" can choose a "hate" subject to champion (whether he believes in it or not) he knows will get the support a large section of the population fired up to get himself/herself into a position of power. . . . Dictators do it all the time (or try to).

It is because of people like these that (sadly) Direct Democracy  will always fail eventually (even the Swiss one is eroding) and our Brexit Party friend in "Bruxelles" is certainly not interested in direct democracy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Topic starter Posted : May 28, 2019 2:49 pm
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There is a reason the Brexit party was formed after the date that we were due to leave the EU. We had a referendum that was narrowly won and yet the result has not been implemented and instead the deadline extended to October. I'm a Remainer but I can understand why people who voted to leave are angry and Nigel Farage has tapped that well of anger. The Tory party has lead us here by getting a deal that no one wants. I've already said elsewhere on this forum that I'm a 2nd referendum guy, I understand that people agree and disagree to varying degrees. That though is not likely to happen any time soon and so we have to do something to end this Brexit nightmare so we can concentrate on issues that need our attention. 

The issue is Leave was not clearly defined at the 2016 vote and now we have millions of versions of what leave is. What ever we do all of the Remainers and a number of leavers will not be happy. Its a fucking mess! 

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Posted : June 4, 2019 3:31 pm
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the way I see it as an objective outsider both sides must cooperate, the Northern Ireland issue is extremely if not nationally important for you, good relationship with Ireland ought to be your primary aim, if Ireland doesn't leave too you have a problem, unless the EU can convince Ireland to allow a border. There is no other way, is there?

you could have a second referendum if Leavers behave themselves. so far Remainers are very civilized 'marginal losers' perhaps because they feel they lost a battle but not the war.

your government must try to find a way out of this mess, and I don't see your royals helping them one bit probably because they try to be impartial since taking any sides right now is risky.

a way out is you remaining but with a stricter way of dealing with the EU, 

a)never lose your currency

b)never accept immigrants from other members of the EU

c)any trade deals that are not good enough for you must be resolved in the near future.

d)accept the fact the EU is too powerful even for you who are very powerful. 

e)make sure if you have plans to leave Ireland has left too or has accepted physical border or the EU can talk her out of it.

F) the EU would have to implode for you to win. so it's a waiting game.

 

 

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Posted : June 4, 2019 4:46 pm
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by the way, now it's too late for Grexit that would affect the entire eurozone. even if Grexit happens out of the blue without notice, the Germans and French by now have secured their shit. (everybody has... perhaps even we have secured our shit by now)

you may have lost your chance, the delay is disturbingly huge for such a thing. nobody was ready, especially Leavers, no plan whatsoever to implement Brexit no matter what ASAP. speeches mean nothing. you must plan every move, have an answer for all potential problems and a solution for all existing ones. 

nobody has worked hard enough for a hard Brexit.

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Posted : June 4, 2019 4:52 pm
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perhaps bribing the EU to convince Ireland... perhaps that's why May's trade deals were as I've read here and elsewhere almost too pro-EU, you can't leave without trade-offs 

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Posted : June 4, 2019 5:09 pm
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Thanks for the information, Trevor, wish both sides the best of luck.

 

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Posted : June 4, 2019 11:08 pm
Guaj
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The question I raised when I opened this thread about what is the point of The Brexit Party within the EU parliament doesn’t really seem to be answered as far as I can see, plenty of opinions expressed on Brexit itself of course. However, after seeing the events over the past two days and probably those today, I reckon I have it figured out.

When the UK leaves the EU, especially if there if no deal UK, as Farage wants, The Brexit party will be re-named into something like:

The UK National Assembly or The UK Freedom Party, not unlike Le Penn’s AN/NF and Belgium’s Vlaams Belang/Vlaams Block.

That means I see Farage as a cancer and Trump the sugar that feeds the tumour.

For me, it seems imperative, if the UK wants the kind of freedom the Brexiteers desired, both sides of the argument need to put their differences aside and rally round the three traditional parties (warts, dickheads and all) to build a strong FREE UK. Otherwise there is a real danger of the UK getting a puppet government led by Farage under the control of the US administration.

Trump’s promise of a “phenomenal” deal is FAKE NEWS. I ain’t gonna happen except with a shitload of strings attached i.e. puppet strings.

I think I've said all I want to say so I want to drop out of this thread for now and go back to writing prose and poetry. I’d like to shut this thread down, but I don’t know how, so you’all feel free to continue the discussion if you want.

Thanks for being kind enough to contribute to my thread.

Have fun guys and ladies.

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Topic starter Posted : June 5, 2019 9:44 am
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ifyouplease
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a forum is: a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

so whoever asks the question "why question this or that", the answer is "this is what democracy is all about, exchange of opinions ideas questions and answers."

there is no point in asking this question in a forum. it's like asking why is there water in the sea.

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Posted : June 5, 2019 12:54 pm
Guaj
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Well thanks for the lecture(s), but to be frank, this isn't much of a forum really is it? If you "throw a topic into the arena" you kind expect more than three people to be in it. 

A quick scroll down the General open forum will tell anybody who cares to look that's how many there appears to be, and I already know their views. I was hoping to rustle up some alternative opinions. . . . Stony ground I guess.

 

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Topic starter Posted : June 5, 2019 2:47 pm
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