I'm not sure the new UKA should ever be a version of ABCtales. Only room for one such format in cyberspace, I think. I also recognise the fact that new UKA won't be the same as old UKA. Old UKA was fantastic... but 'of its time'. I can't imagine many folks will not have good memories of how it was. But life goes on. I don 't think the previous level of commenting and interaction on submissions will ever be the same again. The stark truth of the matter is that there are only about half a dozen folks who like to comment and interact on WABD. I also can't see much evidence of in-depth critique.
I gather from Richard's comments that new UKA is intended to be a forum only. Not entirely sure what that means. I like the idea of interacting in a 'fun(ish)' way with other folks who have a literary bent (like wot I have), but the new 'Poetry' boards scare the bejeezus out of me. I don't have a clue what most of the forms are. What's a Ghazal? Not a clue. Is a Shi a breed of dog? Is Tanka a mystical Japanese martial art? Does old UKA, present WABD or new UKA have any members who are ever likely to submit poems in many of these formats? I keep looking at the new site and I'm desperate to pitch in and submit some poetry and short stories, but I'm unsure what category to submit them to. Most of my scribblings don't really conform to any particular form or category. A lot of it is an attempt at humour... but there's all sorts of humour and often humour is not the original (or sole) intention.
Please understand that this post is not in any way criticizing Richard and that nice young Andrea. I'm in awe of what they did with old UKA and what they're attempting to do here. I tip my virtual hat to both. It's just that they've asked for comments/opinions/suggestions and I'm trying to do that in the best way I can.
I honestly think the idea of a forum (similar to old UKA and present WABD) for us literary folks to interact with equal measures of critique, debate, humour and general insanity is fantastic. However, I still think the inclusion of a showcasing facility (as I described above) for each member which allows comments is the way forward. Not the idea of posting to a myriad of different poetry formats/styles wot most folks wouldn't use anyways.
I'm now retired... and apart from family, gardening and decorating demands on my time... leaves me with the ability to volunteer for moderating duties. I'd be happy to moderate the Poetry section if it could be organised as a showcasing board. With a little bit of techno-advice, I should be able to create pages for folks and I'm certainly capable of giving any miscreants a finger wagging, a red flag, or indeed a slapping of their bare bum with a wet kipper if required.
I understand Luigi has also tentatively offered himself for moderating duties... which quite possibly gives you two stonkingly good old fellas.
I've looked up and looked down. I've even done the okey-cokey and turned around, but I still can't find where my lost youth has gone. Has anyone seen it? There's unfinished business.
I'm getting very confused here. It hadn't quite sunk in that the new UKA will be just a forum, but with categories and submissions as well (?). Maybe I've misunderstood but are we not just chasing our own tails (or tales)? If we wanted a forum we've got a forum. That's what this thing is that I'm typing on right now. If we wanted a whole bunch of categories we could create them here. The simple fact is, it's very inactive. It's weeks and often months between individual posts. Why should a new forum somewhere else be any more active than this one? What's going to bring the people in? I'm not trying to rain on anybody's parade, I just don't understand what the point would be of starting up another forum. If that's the answer can somebody please tell me, what was the question?
Everyone hold fire!
Things will be changing but we (A &R) are still trying to work out the best way forward - sort of like brexit but MUCH more important!
A few things to mention:
1) WABD engine (Wordpress) is crap and so a major rethink is underway.
2) UKA engine (what we used for 15+ years on UKA) is bust beyond repair so we can't go back to that engine.
3) The UKAuthors website will be rebuilt and we will be reverting to the original domain name (ukauthors.com)
4) WABD was a bit of a disaster really weren't it! (my fault (R) entirely)
5) We will be attempting a PROPER UKA rebirth.
6) Sorry about all chaos and confusion all this has caused.
a few things can be done so that temporarily we can enjoy this brand new site.
the i am not a robot
any email that is not the email of an old ukaneer that posted at least one work and one comment has to wait to be accepted.
so old members who had even minimum activity can join wabd.
it's a new promising site we must not forget it and it may have attracted enemies. the old uka's format/platform was too old to become a threat a rival. this one? yes it can. oh yeah. it is very promising.
you know what I mean?
try to implement some simple things for hackers and bots even if it means getting rid of the shoutbox then do it.
I remember when I was a site owner of php writers site. At some point I found out they used the pms not only the forums to hack. So I deactivated permanently pms. And told them all use your bloody emails for private messaging, here we WRITE.
I plead not ordinary
I am absolutely certain that we are fighting against sophisticated bots from now on.
because the site's format this platform has the potential of becoming as successful as facebook's and twitter's
it's not about wabd. it's a platform war. big sharks out there. as big as facebook and google. think about it.
I also think that any site out there that uses the "like" buttons and IS a community will attract BOTS.
I plead not ordinary
and since it's a good thing people to talk I will add another reply and hopefully I will make more sense.
the social networking sites managed to make themselves almost essential as links to them. "facebook" here and "twitter" there and so on
what does that mean? who knows what crappy stuff they can do to the sites that place/use/implement these links? these are algorithms at work. bots easily come from anywhere and such active links are an open invitation to them. I think I mentioned it again once upon a time, do not link to facebook at all. share this on facebook hell no. create communities there groups and link your site to facebook in a reverse manner. no link here to facebook. we were an online community first!
now I must risk frying my brain for a poem, I think I must stop thinking about the hackerbot dangers this platform faces if I want to have an active brain for poetry. (one of the reasons I stopped being a website owner: members and their quarrels were catastrophic for my thinking capacity as a writer. I'm only human.)
I plead not ordinary
read the comments, bots use the like dislike flag buttons, some bots are designed to up vote others to down vote. bots everywhere. they say that 60 % internet traffic is now bots.
so all we need is each other, we must stick to the basic interaction between members who are real, we have a website owner and a chief editor/administrators too.
we need a simple site with a fresh look.
this one is good, the way it looks is good.
and it is achievable to make a php site look a lot like this. we do not need to link from here to any other site and we do not need anything that attracts more bots.
and another thing, when you join facebook (done it hundreds of times) you never have to prove you are not a robot. when you deactivate or delete your account (done it a million times) you have to prove you are not a bot.
why? tee hee because there is a war and I dare say that facebook is the Godzilla of bots. the king Kong bot. a giant bot that imitates a site. think about it.
I agree with this sort of like brexit but MUCH more important!
it is absolutely spot on, it is much more important because being here means I am not giving all the power to sites like facebook that I am willing to resist. facebook is like the EE and Ukauthors/wabd is trying to remain sovereign... where is everybody? are you all talking on the newly created forums now?
I plead not ordinary
I refer to an earlier notice by wabdmin which stated: 5) We will be attempting a PROPER UKA rebirth.
I am a bit confused as previouly we had been told that Andrea and the webmaster had decided to adopt a forum format. In my opinion the forum we are offered is suitable for general discussions but not for posting poetry and prose especially regarding the sub-divisions as other members have indicated.
Also if the WABD site is to be closed by the end of July, what is going to happen to the material posted so far, the comments, the picks, the nominations? The feeling I have is that all that won't be taken into account in the redevelopment of UKA. Is there any point, therefore, posting and commenting on WABD any longer?
Yes, I wonder about this too, ionicus. Sounds like Richard can't transfer all our stuff in the same way he did when creating this site.
Don't agree we can't use the new forum as a writing site though. A number of writing sites already do use this format, though I certainly don't like all those individual subdivisional threads that have been created on the new uka so far! We only really need one thread of each for posting prose and poetry, imo. Very confusing, as it stands at the moment. But all the same tools are there, to include font choices (though more limited) and inserting pics (though not quite as easily) and centering etc.. for presenting our work in the best light possible.
Follow this link to check on a number of other sites using the same or a very similar format customized to their own 'look'. http://ibpc.webdelsol.com/ The 'boards' are to the left and highlighted/linked in red. You will see Wild Poetry, which I've mentioned a number of times, included on this list.
let's see what you decide, your right your choice - you write the end. I understand. I just won't be among the new members of a new start. I managed to accept the idea of write and be damned as a name and I certainly have no problem as ukauthors 2 if you continue with this site as it is, no deleting no starting from scratch again. I give up after 15 years if you do. Thanks for your efforts all this time.
took me four years a website owner and fifteen as a member. *goes off muttering*...
I plead not ordinary
"Suddenly, old site members long absent resurrect themselves..."
Well, speaking for myself, it's been more a case of lurking than absence and the reasons (not excuses) for not posting stories are two-fold:
1) As I pointed out in my previous post, I was told that work appearing on a publicly-accessible forum was considered to have been (self-)published and would therefore not be considered for publication elsewhere (magazines, anthologies, e-zines);
2) I was one of a number of prose writers who became somewhat disillusioned with the situation that developed several years ago on UKA, whereby prose submissions - despite having been kept to 2,500 words or fewer - were being largely ignored. I don't just mean 'not receiving comments'; they were not receiving many reads. Certainly nowhere near as many as had previously been the case. On a couple of occasions when the topic came up, the general level of response was 'Try keeping it to flash [fiction]', which is certainly a format that requires great discipline and is therefore good practice, but doesn't suit every (or most) story/idea.
None of which is to lay blame at the feet of the poets or readers of it. It simply points out that UKA was no longer meeting the needs of a significant number of prose writers. At that point you have a choice: keep on doing the same thing in the hope of change (the definition of insanity, apparently), or go on your merry way. Many chose the latter - thereby exacerbating, not creating, the core problem - and have never looked back. I was one of those who did keep looking back, mainly because for a relatively long period (October 2003 to, roughly, mid-2006) UKA worked brilliantly for me. Not only was it a showcase where my work was actually getting read, but the comments - and even the old star ratings - offered plenty of encouragement and mostly-on-point advice and it provided a creative spur to get something knocked out and into some kind of shape for the next subs date. Pretty soon, I noticed every first draft was a bit better and cleaner than the ones before, and the polishing tools became more numerous and better honed thanks to commenters passing on their experience and know-how. (So yes, I agree with the point that a lack of interest due to "the low quality of the work" is ridiculous. It treats UKA/WABD as a electronic publishing platform 'proper' rather than an online writers' workshop, which is what I always thought of it as.)
The mood of the membership changed, though: I remember the seemingly endless debate surrounding comments being made on work submitted: to crit or not to crit? That was the question. But for me, the whole point of UKA was to receive criticism as well as plaudits and use them both as a means to improve, yet there seemed to be a move towards no-critting that made me wonder what was the point?
So yes, I became inactive and much less visible on the forums. In the wake of the advice I received I even pulled all my work from the site. But none of that meant I abandoned UKA, nor does it mean I've not read submitted pieces in exactly the same way as I did in my visible/active period. Perhaps I'm not alone in that?
I've got a lot going on in my life and don't have the time or (just yet) the inclination to write anything new. I've still got a novel to complete and lot of my old stories are being edited when I have the opportunity. Almost all of these originated from UKA submissions and many were bent into a correct shape by critique from fellow members. I like to think I've done my fair share of commenting on other writers' work in the past as well. Right now, I'm happy to keep my presence here on a mainly social level and don't feel the need to apologise to anyone for that. 🙂
Hold fire folks!
WABD/UKA might not be a lost cause just yet!
We are still considering what to do. There's a lot of work been put into this version of UKA since we moved from our old system. It's still a work in progress and perhaps we need more time to iron out the problems and adjust things so we can get it running a bit closer to OLD UKA's homely, friendly little writers' community.
We are going to see how things go. I'm going to attempt to make the site like OLD UKA and Andrea is learning the admin backend so she can run things the OLD UKA way!
I think we might also return to the original ukauthors.com domain home and name.