the system of the old uka including the comments in the notifications we used to get is very helpful and keeps you connected with the site and the members and above all writing itself
i am not sure that editing our comments is a good idea anymore. if we want to clarify or correct something we can return and add a new comment and who doesn't want more comments
traffic is gone in comments section because of these two facts: the comments are not included in the notification emails and people can edit comments and therefore they do not add new ones to clarify, continue with the discussion they started if it is necessary or amusing, or correct something.
insulting comments is something that does not interest me but this should be entirely on the site's moderators.
there is a poetry challenge by me and after I finish the prose section I would like another member to post a new challenge, I mean it can be done now. I would like to write poetry for poetry challenges, it helps me.
I plead not ordinary
Not sure if notifications bereft of content hurt or help responses, to be honest, though I see your point. But do believe the way comments are displayed now is very detrimental to ongoing discussion/analysis/feedback - they are so disconnected from the original piece. It takes effort to look at what's being said by other than the immediate commentator. And if I'm ever late (past a short few days of submissions) in answering a comment or commenting on someone else's work, those remarks never show up in the current set-up. All seems tied to date of submission. So what's the point of even participating? Who cares? Right now, there's little dynamic interaction displayed that would excite the reader or author.
I too liked the way things worked on the old UKA site: that ongoing interaction was immediate and so easy to follow. Late comments showed up as they were made so an author's older submissions came to the fore. As they should.
I'm so demoralised by lack of comments and interaction it will be a while before I post again.
I feel (rightly or wrongly) that if people post their work, to welcome comments, they should be prepared to show some willing and not be so selfish and self absorbed. indeed, it should be part of the terms and conditions in some way, or at least recognised as good manners. We need structure and less pussy-footing (again my personal opinion)
There I've said it. Does not seem to matter anyway.
I fully understand and am mindful of all the discussions in the past about not wanting to hold a metaphorical gun to anybody's snowflake head...I know this is a tall order and we shy away from over-bearing, dictotarial control freaks 😉 but there can be a middle way if the spirit is willing. There are several long standing members on here who have the experience to work out a strategy. I respect them and feel they could manage it.
I have to say, Archie made a lot of sense...even if he went too far on occasion in his putting the point across. He offered crit that was both helpful and also professional.
His crit and also Mitch and Sunks are sadly missed by me for one.
Personalities aside....he got scunnered over certain things and so am I.
I think the poetry challenges are an excellent idea. Unfortunately I cannot write to demand, so to speak.
My poems come or they don't. 🙁
I have entered into them in the past but had to trawl my archives to find ones that were fitting. I could still do that but given the total apathy all around I feel, why bother?
I've tried to be supportive on all versions of the site but I feel maybe time to take a break. Good luck to it though.
I feel someone's got to take the rudder and be firmer with those who never contribute to the enrichment or advancement of others but that's my personal opinion.
I can sense however, that some long time members may feel the same.
New members do not seem to have much idea what is expected of them and quite frankly, the way things are going...may put their toe in the water..then bugger off to more fertile pastures...
Who could blame them?
The old saying
"give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" springs to mind. 🙁
Things have changed and it's still not a good time for any sort of evaluation (at least for me on this specific subject of change), because it seems that things will continue to change course until they permanently shift and then things will be separated into two major groups: the things in a new environment and the things in an old one that could not be upgraded. Right now the two, main, future group of things are unable to interact with each other no matter how hard they try (at least for me generally speaking). As soon as they both decide/realize it is futile and they go their separate ways, things for all things are going to get better, or at least get the attention they deserve... or at last no attention at all.
I plead not ordinary
that's something I wrote as an opening paragraph and it has to do with "let's wait"... I checked the forums but couldn't find such a forum section.
Alison we will try. You know perhaps I'm one of the oldest members of UKA my first username was silentmemories. I added many comments dear, was too focused on adding/receiving comments nibs and have as many reads as possible the first two or three years (till 2005-6). Back then Ukauthors was one of the liveliest writers sites. I miss my friends Bektron and Littleditty but things change. In different ways and on different levels. Patience!
I plead not ordinary
Agree storms. Totally. I've browsed and used writing sites that attach conditions to publishing work, and display those conditions prominently in their rules and regulations type guidance. Some block a writer's submission from visibility until AFTER they've posted a certain number of comments (usually around three) to other people's pieces. Don't know how they manage that, technically, but apparently, it can be done.
In other cases, it's a sort of honor system that's described and used to inform new members about the level of interaction the site wants and expects, with the burden of checking compliance left to monitors. I've seen monitors first try 'diplomacy' and posted (i.e. visible to all) reminders to anyone not following the directives. The monitors may also have the power to switch the negligent party's particular piece into draft/hold form until there is some explanation given or adjustment made.
Crit's another thing altogether because the word scares many who don't think they're equipped to offer it. You will chase away a whole lot of less experienced writers using that term if you should say, for example, you expect their three comments to offer critique!
This is why I so often get on the bandwagon of wanting clear guidelines or explanations as to what the different levels of desired feedback, commentary or crit mean for UKA members!
@storm: Don't be demoralized, luv, some of us, me in particular, are struggling to get back into the swing of things here at UKA. I'm trying to discipline myself to write regardless of whether I feel inspired or not. As for those who don't reciprocate, the well of comments and feedback will eventually dry up for them. I like to call it poetic justice. You're not alone in your frustration at the lack of interaction. Whenever you express your disappointment, I, for one, am with you.
PS - I was nude when I wrote this. Hope that doesn't put you off.
Instead of trying to undo the biting of the old apple/I bite a new one instead/And with a toothless grin/Become a Dionysian among Christians.
Bless you Wolf Brother, 🙂
That means a lot. Even though you scared the beejeesus out of me to start with, I saw your heart of love and justice. I also resonated with your 'no bullshit' way of expression.
( a wolf thing) 😉
I also know you have many personal challenges to deal with as have I.
When I rally against those who are 'takers' I am not saying I do not recognise skill...I am saying that parasitic attachments (giving nothing to the host) will either be overcome or the host will succumb.
It is nature, we both understand that fact.
When battling energy, it becomes a decision to either act or take a back seat. We need to put ourselves first in the interim.
As to your being naked? I have to confess I did not have my lenses in.
Can you re-send?
Sadly I hardly ever read prose because I do not feel I can give helpful crit. I can say whether I enjoyed it or not...
So from the professional slant I have nothing to add but maybe we should leave our comfort zones to say in simple terms whether something moved us or not?
I wish only the very best for this much loved site.