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  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Reading "Ballade des Pendus"

    thanks for posting a poem about him, I didn’t know him and I find his life very interesting, killed a priest robbed colleges right wrote poetry……
    i think your poem has potential but some lines are weak, but you started something big here that’s for sure and I want to write about him now too.

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    2019/02/18 at 8:05 am
    • Nemo

      From Nemo on Reading "Ballade des Pendus"

      Thanks for reading this. I’m fascinated by the fact that he could produce his poems while waiting to be hanged. I thought it worth drawing people’s attention to him and to the blind faith of the medieval mind. I know the lines are weak but then it’s not really a poem.

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      2019/02/18 at 5:08 pm
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Silence is as Painless as Suicide is Golden

    strange poem,
    “and your eyes can see the same thing I see (many changes)” is that what you mean?
    very strange poem what kind of changes do you mean?

    the only painless suicide, in my opinion if I please, is the way Socrates was executed, there is of course the ultimate terror during the last stages, is terror painless when your body is numb, freezing gradually from your toes to your head?

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    2019/02/17 at 6:24 pm
    • Alfie_Shoyger

      From Alfie_Shoyger on Silence is as Painless as Suicide is Golden

      It is indeed a strange poem, written nearly twelve years ago now, when all kinds of horrors were spinning around my head. I can’t remember now exactly what I was thinking when I wrote this. The “many changes” I suppose were the changes in my behaviour and ways of looking at life as a result of my experience of being ignored by somebody who I cared about.

      I think the last line means “And you also can see that silence is as painless as suicide is golden if you please”, Ifyouplease.

      In a way I didn’t actually write this poem at all, because it is a mixture of lyrics from two songs, “Silence is Golden” and “Suicide is Painless”.

      Regarding Socrates, I’m pretty sure it is more painless to shoot yourself in the head than to drink hemlock and then walk around for a while and then lie down as numbness creeps up your body. Terror isn’t painless, no.

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      2019/02/17 at 8:11 pm
      • Ifyouplease

        From ifyouplease on Silence is as Painless as Suicide is Golden

        as you may know Socrates could escape if he wanted, nobody locked his cell-door his execution was conveniently postponed due to something ‘religious’ his guard would be more than happy to be tied in a corner by his disciples and watch him leave.
        Fearless philosophers in love with death may have every right to commit suicide under the right circumstances. The rest of us well we have a big fat no. You can read more in Phedon/Φαιδων
        This particular poison was used by some priests (Ελευσίνειον Ιερατείον) in small doses to eliminate sexual instinct/desire and be 100 percent passion-free.

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        2019/02/17 at 9:59 pm
  • Ross

    From ross on Wishing Upon A Line

    Enjoyed this poem very much. I’d cancel “with luck” or write “the fate of luckless mortals” to avoid the awkward prepositional phrase at the end.

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    2019/02/12 at 9:46 pm
    • Ifyouplease

      From ifyouplease on Wishing Upon A Line

      grace sb/sth with sth
      it’s not awkward
      their falling rarely graces the fate of mortals with luck

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      2019/02/13 at 5:26 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on It’s Alright, I Don’t Expect You To

    Even some good people are envious a-holes

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    2019/02/12 at 9:12 pm
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on If I Were

    Incorrigibly prone to fail is that what you mean? And why if I got it right it all seems purposeless

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    2019/02/12 at 9:09 pm
    • Ross

      From ross on If I Were

      Purposeless is a little strong. Fallen or incomplete would be my inclination although by Spinoza’s yardstick rather than the Church of Rome. I’m still enchanted, especially with children and in nature. A great scholar in Toronto once said he wouldn’t want to come back as himself if that were possible. He’d prefer to be someone with a different set of gifts. I always thought that was a marvelous thought.
      Are you and I on a remote island? I think you’ve met survivors here.

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      2019/02/12 at 9:41 pm
      • Ifyouplease

        From ifyouplease on If I Were

        why is it a little strong? don’t you want your students to pass their exams? and not just fail in an endless falling mode just to remain in their college years ?

        yeah everybody prefers that luxurious cruise ship Facebook, they’re enjoying their martinis right now. while we have to keep the fire burning.

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        2019/02/13 at 5:19 am
        • Ross

          From ross on If I Were

          I don’t see the attempt to implement reason as futile although I refer to it as “the shattered coronation” in another poem because it is essentially impossible to live by and through.

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          2019/02/13 at 3:34 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on If I Were

            who evaluates human reason? and how? is this shattered coronation a narrow pass in this evaluation? help me understand what you’re saying because i find it unreasonable to accept any reason that cannot be implemented and i see no purpose in such a reason.

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            2019/02/13 at 6:01 pm
          • Ross

            From ross on If I Were

            We evaluate it ourselves. It’s fate to understand and not to understand however elevated our faculties. The broken crown is the metaphor I used. I could post it although I don’t think there is any readership here from what I can see.

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            2019/02/13 at 8:27 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on If I Were

            readership?
            since nobody demands money for the services provided i have no problem and i don’t need thousands of bots fake reads to make me feel read just because i paid as that’s what i would probably get on a site with paid memberships and ‘big readership (of bots)”

            we may evaluate ourselves but it’s impossible to be correct while doing it thinking there is no external evaluation i must take into consideration – we must at least think the highest possible external evaluation of our evaluating – the canon of Polykleitos for example it was not that perfect because he found a handsome young man that according to him had perfect analogies. he went with his mind beyond that personal evaluation.

            i’m happy here with few real readers.

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            2019/02/13 at 8:57 pm
          • Ross

            From ross on If I Were

            Yes, of course, there is a larger reality than shaped by subjective thought. I don’t personally believe, however, that there is an evaluation that is carried out beyond consciousness, or that exceeds nature in its manifestation. The human mind has limits, but they are not as finite as people generally suppose. Writing poems is an extraordinary way to address those unsettled limitations in my mind. Finally, objective correlatives are very powerful, and have been used to great effect by many artists of genius.

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            2019/02/13 at 10:53 pm
  • Ross

    From ross on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

    I wonder how far human reason can take us.

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    2019/02/11 at 2:19 am
    • Ifyouplease

      From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

      “I said to my soul, be still and wait without hope, for hope would be hope for the wrong thing; wait without love, for love would be love of the wrong thing; there is yet faith, but the faith and the love are all in the waiting. Wait without thought, for you are not ready for thought: So the darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”

      literally, the above. that means you chose the most difficult path, you have to resist all temptations pursue eviction from any paradise and escape from any hell, and know yourself very well so that you understand for which reasons your hope faith and love are wrong, fake.

      and then your heart, your essence, will bring forth the qualities you need to act as a creator and you will forge your own path.

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      2019/02/11 at 3:30 pm
    • Ifyouplease

      From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

      farther than your own first simulation.

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      2019/02/11 at 7:58 am
      • Ross

        From ross on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

        What is a “first simulation”?

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        2019/02/11 at 1:24 pm
        • Ifyouplease

          From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

          and in order to find your original place wherefrom you set off on a journey to conquer ‘Troy’ you have to understand no place that is not your own is appropriate for a mature and complete Being.
          if you choose Hell or Paradise or back to earth taking any form or shape even that of Yeats only shows you are not ready and mature enough to separate the wheat from the chaff.

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          2019/02/11 at 3:05 pm
          • Ross

            From ross on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

            I’m encouraged by the use of the word “find” which includes for me, at least, a welcome human dimension.

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            2019/02/11 at 3:30 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

            so there is a level which connects the human body with what else? Ithaca,

            when you are not in control ruling your body then parasites like the suitors try to win your what else? soul. Penelope that patiently waits for your return, your consciousness that’s why I said to another ukaneer that we are whole and have both ‘sexes’ , our Consciousness and our Soul,

            now look what happened, a huge distraction Troy this world we live in, full of Sirens and Cyclops and witches and mommy-boys, traitors, cowards, impatient miserable sods…
            at this level Troy had to be conquered at any cost, it has to be destroyed since the world arrogantly brags about its superiority over individuality.

            there is telepathy in Odyssey expressed in the name of Telemahos he who fights from a distance. yes our Consciousness is going to be distracted.

            Penelope Soul is like a sitting duck for the parasites suitors. Penelope means … duck.

            The origin of her name is believed by Robert S. P. Beekes to be Pre-Greek and related to pēnelops (πηνέλοψ)[1] or pēnelōps (πηνέλωψ), glossed by Hesychius as “some kind of bird”[2] (today arbitrarily identified with the Eurasian wigeon, to which Linnaeus gave the binomial Anas penelope), where -elōps (-έλωψ) is a common Pre-Greek suffix for predatory animals;[3] however, the semantic relation between the proper name and the gloss is not clear. In folk etymology, Pēnelopē (Πηνελόπη) is usually understood to combine the Greek word pēnē (πήνη), “weft”, and ōps (ὤψ), “face”, which is considered the most appropriate for a cunning weaver whose motivation is hard to decipher

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            2019/02/11 at 9:05 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

            and you like Odysseus have to exterminate Penelope’s suitors
            starting with Antinoos all the names Homer used mean something
            I will just explain to you what the first suitor’s name means and why he is the first Odysseus has to kill

            Antinoos means Anti Noos , Nous
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nous

            you know what anti means

            so that’s why in order to return to the right place you have to be the right person a master of reasonableness and the only way to master reasonableness is to understand how moral and virtuous you have to become,

            the second suitor’s name Evrimahos the one who fights using all means

            the third’s Amfinomos the one who distorts the law
            the fourth’s Agelaos the one who cons the populace

            clean your home city your kingdom from this dirt showing no mercy whatsoever.

            in the myth of Er in Plato we learn that the deceased Odysseus selects a reincarnation of a simple man without fame or wealth someone who would have a quiet life and would remain obscure.

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            2019/02/11 at 8:31 pm
        • Ifyouplease

          From ifyouplease on Intransigent (Poetry Challenge "Blind") edited

          using this term in English does sound a bit inadequate to describe a world of your own
          in Greek προσομοιωση this word is much better, ‘that which resembles (or tends/is inclined to resemble) something else as faithfully as possible’
          human reason not only can reach this level of creating a simulated world unowned by anyone else but its human creator, but go even farther.

          but first one has to find Ithaca and be sure it’s not just another simulated reality, but the real thing.

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          2019/02/11 at 2:56 pm
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Ma Chouette  (a kinda sonnet)

    very nice work

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    2019/02/10 at 7:13 pm
    • Coolhermit

      From coolhermit on Ma Chouette  (a kinda sonnet)

      Thanks – I was at a loss for a subject and remembered a scrap I had stowed away about Whitby jet – it lends itself to ‘poetic expression’ 🙂

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      2019/02/11 at 12:31 pm
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on When

    must ask if you are talking about the poem by Yeats or about what you think this poem is about

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    2019/02/10 at 6:49 pm
    • Ross

      From ross on When

      About the experience of reading one’s creative writing in general.

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      2019/02/10 at 6:52 pm
      • Ifyouplease

        From ifyouplease on When

        we may never find what it is
        and die as clueless as when we were born.

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        2019/02/10 at 7:27 pm
  • Ross

    From ross on The Great Exodus

    To nothing but his inferno?

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    2019/02/09 at 3:22 am
    • Ifyouplease

      From ifyouplease on The Great Exodus

      why do you think that his is important to add? is there a grammar in context rule I must follow and what if I used capital I? do i still need a ‘his’?

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      2019/02/09 at 7:10 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Rat Pie

    your story is very well written Pronto and has the perfect end.

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    2019/02/08 at 8:50 pm
  • Slovitt

    From slovitt on Husband

    one of your better ones. clear, and pointed. hopefully points a way forward for you two.

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    2019/02/08 at 7:37 pm
    • Ifyouplease

      From ifyouplease on Husband

      I am using your canon as often as possible when I am not writing poems like The Chosen Dummies or The Great Exodus a great canon such as yours is still helpful, however. I’ve been lucky to find poets like you as I would have been lost in a foreign language trying to impress imaginary teachers of English marking papers.

      in sickness and in health, in poverty and in wealth, mulishly.

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      2019/02/08 at 9:27 pm
  • Potleek

    From potleek on By train

    Was just passing through, but glad I came upon this piece, would make a good story…Thanks…Tony

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    2019/02/07 at 9:54 pm
    • Coolhermit

      From coolhermit on By train

      encounters on trains can be ‘out there’ if we are open to them 🙂 thanks.

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      2019/02/08 at 11:39 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on By train

    movies reading can create false memories we only live once. so, psychosis. false memories perhaps can be traced in genes, we are carriers of many false memories. tales and stories haunting generations. a brain not to be trusted when pondering over the possibility of reincarnation therefore.

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    2019/02/07 at 12:14 pm
    • Coolhermit

      From coolhermit on By train

      There is rabbinical thought that souls from the holocaust transmigrated and formed the ‘peace and love’ generaton of the 60s and 70s – who can really say definitively? But he was an interesting bloke 🙂 thank.s

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      2019/02/08 at 11:39 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Ending Perceptivity Benignly

    nobody has ever found the true meaning of life for everybody and everything. we are all stopped by Death in this eternal quest. none of us has accumulated that many experiences to draw a final conclusion while alive.

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    2019/02/07 at 10:00 am
    • Gothicman

      From Gothicman on Ending Perceptivity Benignly

      The meaning of Life surely is to preserve life, preserve and enhance the ecological balance and quality of all living things, the world and all its resources, habitats, and environments, fight poverty, injustice, and disease, and to try to discover personal meaning in the short time biological deterioration, and system-silting allots to each person? Actually IYP, I was just trying out a voice-activated text writer. It’s not my intention to keep this piece more than a week or so, as I found it difficult to use, had to repeat things, delete errors etc., too complicated and not worth the hassle! Thanks for commenting! Friend, Goth.

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      2019/02/07 at 12:15 pm
      • Ifyouplease

        From ifyouplease on Ending Perceptivity Benignly

        The meaning of Life surely is to preserve life, preserve and enhance the ecological balance and quality of all living things, the world and all its resources, habitats, and environments, fight poverty, injustice, and disease,

        perhaps if this whole thing is in an experimental phase, then this whole thing has higher intelligence monitoring what’s taking place.
        not saying God but god would have to be part of the experimentation

        otherwise, this is all there is good or bad it will end and it will be the biggest end of the biggest story that was never monitored by anyone and will be remembered by none.

        well?

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        2019/02/07 at 12:36 pm
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on The relativity of youth and age

    23 for women and 25 for men, after these ages we decline indeed and by all means it’s a very relative procedure

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    2019/02/07 at 9:34 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

    must read this book again, an amazing book one of the best, Dickens Balzac Dostoevsky and this book by Flaubert Camus and of course Kafka and Gombrowicz.

    three books from each aforementioned, then
    Iliad Odyssey and three tragedies by Sophocles Aeschylus and Euripides

    one doesn’t need to read anything else.

    and I must ponder over this nous again…

    good poem.

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    2019/02/06 at 6:23 pm
    • Nemo

      From Nemo on Ask Flaubert

      Also Saul Bellow, Marquez……

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      2019/02/06 at 8:04 pm
      • Ifyouplease

        From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

        first time I hear about Bellow – not a fan of Marquez but he of course was great for others.

        woefully disappointed that i have not found a woman with a voice as important as the ones i mentioned.

        good writing yes but not as special

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        2019/02/07 at 11:49 am
        • Nemo

          From Nemo on Ask Flaubert

          Marguerite Yourcenar, Virginia Woolf, Simone de Beauvoir, Annie Proulx, Iris Murdoch…..

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          2019/02/07 at 12:40 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

            thinking about nous. a lot. it must be solved
            Agatha Christie perhaps is the only writer I would admire as much as the ones I mentioned.

            (just my odd impersonal opinion)

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            2019/02/07 at 12:58 pm
          • Nemo

            From Nemo on Ask Flaubert

            I forgot George Eliot..

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            2019/02/07 at 2:04 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

            yes The Mill on the Floss was as if penned by one of the masters of literature. perhaps there are women writing as anon or using male names that can change their voice so much that sexes become either indistinguishable or neutered.

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            2019/02/07 at 3:45 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

            While continuing to contribute pieces to the Westminster Review, Evans resolved to become a novelist, and set out a pertinent manifesto in one of her last essays for the Review, “Silly Novels by Lady Novelists”[18] (1856). The essay criticised the trivial and ridiculous plots of contemporary fiction written by women. In other essays, she praised the realism of novels that were being written in Europe at the time, an emphasis on realistic storytelling confirmed in her own subsequent fiction. She also adopted a nom-de-plume, George Eliot; as she explained to her biographer J. W. Cross, George was Lewes’s forename, and Eliot was “a good mouth-filling, easily pronounced word”

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            2019/02/07 at 3:47 pm
          • Ifyouplease

            From ifyouplease on Ask Flaubert

            they didn’t manage to write in an at least neutral voice, have read most of the ladies you mentioned they were always too feminine too this and that. not even attacking traditional female values for the sake of new ideals has helped a female write better than men or as good as male writers. they tried to be various things. yes they wrote some very good stories. as women afflicted by what society and family expect from them even as trained soldiers of feminism.

            (but boy are we better journalists… tee hee)

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            2019/02/07 at 12:54 pm
  • Sweetwater

    From sweetwater on The relativity of youth and age

    I love the truth behind this so many young people are weary of life before it has even really begun, while those much older realise the value of it and cherish every day. sue.

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    2019/02/05 at 9:43 am
  • Mobnick

    From mobnick on The only time that lasts is outside time

    I made plasticine and wax. Therefore, I have no idea about materials, methods, etc. But I would very much like to try myself in creating miniature models of metal soldiers! I would be very grateful. Thanks for answers!

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    2019/02/05 at 7:24 am
  • Mobnick

    From mobnick on The only time that lasts is outside time

    Advise where to start! I would like to learn how to make tin https://freebears.com/chilmark soldiers. I had never done anything of the kind before, if only in primary school

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    2019/02/05 at 7:23 am
  • Ifyouplease

    From ifyouplease on For a Woman to Notice me

    I’ll tweet this one. Not that i have any followers but random bots do visit. it’s on me ten reads or so, bots from twitter – work your way up from there.

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    2019/02/04 at 9:16 am
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